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5:47 AM

Literally.

thank you for helping me yesterday Chocho. I really don't know what I am doing. My tulpas understand me, but even they get confused by me sometimes (edited)

I wonder: can tulpas perform hypnosis?

I guess if they practiced it, sure?

11:26 PM

Tulpas are just like anyone else, I don't see why they wouldn't be able to

Mine do the exercise, i fall asleep, so...

@asreal do you mean internally or externally? (the answer to both is yes)

Both I guess, thanks for the info

1:06 AM

/latereply

About to do another meditative state thing

4:33 AM

(Or is this not the right channel for that)

There is a meditation channel, idk if it's right or not. (edited)

Would the Hulk be considered a tulpa?

No

3:42 PM

An alter/headmate, maybe

I need to find out what the difference is between a headmate and a tulpa then

The Hulk is corporeal anyway

Tulpas are created

Headmate is a more vague/umbrella term as far as I know.

That, and sometimes an alternative word to describe what people call an "alter"

3:44 PM

Because some people find the word "alter" offensive

3:44 PM

In this context

What guide should I read that delves into the differences between headmates/tulpas/alters etc? (edited)

I don't think there's a guide that explains that

3:50 PM

Here's a glossary https://docs.google.com/document/d/14i2P8863LF523Ajzgnn5NezAdnD037kO_Nr8dxQiEHo/edit?usp=sharing

The Common Glossary of Tulpa and Other Plurality-Related Terms

The Common Glossary of Tulpa and Other Plurality-Related Terms Co-authored and organized by the Felight and Bethel systems Systems and MembersAlter/split: A thoughtform that functions as an independent, separate personality from the original, with its own opinions and capab...

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I guess it's endogenics that I have then

Endogenic isn't a being?

3:57 PM

It's a term for the type of system you have

3:57 PM

not the type of headmates

oh

3:58 PM

I guess whatever an alter is that isn't sprout from trauma

A tulpa...

But tulpas can't be created unintentionally can they?

Yes

Sure, but not spontaneously

The most common way is for someone to have a character that eventually gains sentience

Yeah I'd say that's about right

4:00 PM

But it's more of a proto-sentience if anything

What does that mean

They're on the path of being sentient but not quite?

4:01 PM

idk it's weird

4:02 PM

i also keep interactions with them to a minimum

4:02 PM

the only way we'd communicate is through text

That is weird. Idk I feel like you're either sentient or not and there's no in between

4:04 PM

You can be less developed but not less sentient

I feel like my ego is a soap bubble and they are smaller bubbles hanging onto me who haven't quite become their own bubbles yet

4:08 PM

If that makes any sense

that's a neat way to think about things, i kinda like that actually

But I also feel like classing someone as a "glorified imaginary friend" might make it harder for them to keep developing into something more.

@Cassilda Then you get into the issue of people straight up using bad rhetoric

4:21 PM

because people who don't realize that their tulpas are generally low complexity feel that it's an insult rather than descriptive

Old members from 4chan and 2012 .info days are very self-assured and set in their ways, but as I previously stated I believe happy hosts with happy tulpas are doing just fine without worrying about "grass is greener" sorts of problems. The only consistent "mindset" I see from them is that they don't like how people think about tulpas these days. Newbies in extended communities (outside of tulpa.info) have much wider-spread beliefs as the phenomenon has reached so many people, but I still believe it's gone in a mostly positive direction. I believe we're not getting worse as a community overall, but rather, we are constantly dealing with converting the less.. nice beliefs about thoughtforms from newcomers to the term "tulpas" to better ones. I think you might be mistaking what's actually progress as regress. I do encourage you to think about that "expanding bubble of knowledge" concept to hopefully add a little more optimism into your feelings on this matter. The more we learn, the more we can see we don't know. But that doesn't mean we're getting less intelligent. If anything, the increasing ability to see problems in the community is a result of that same concept. And we're going to keep seeing more and more newcomers with iffy ideas, and they may spread them to an extent, but I think the base we've created from .info and outwards will keep the trend positive. I don't things are going to get any worse than they already were. (edited)

4:22 PM

Textwall summing up my points, and I'm going to bed now. Good night.

When we find a way to discuss tulpas on television without sounding like a bunch of dumbasses, when we find ways to write legitimately compelling and insightful articles outlining the phenomenon in a philosophically rigorous way, then I will feel all right.

lemme at em

I mean, Veissiere already kinda did that. (edited)

https://community.tulpa.info/thread-tulpa-neuroimaging-research-study-preliminary-search-for-study-applicants

Tulpa Neuroimaging Research Study: Preliminary Search for Study Ap...

Hey guys, most of you probably don't recognize me around here, since I tend to stick to reddit and their discord. I have some exciting news for people. Dr. Samuel Veissiere has finally gotten the go a

Ah, that's a new development.

4:25 PM

@Cassilda they haven't even done the study, though?

4:26 PM

Unless this link @Reisen shared isn't the most recent development

I'm talking about the paper he published before he even started the study Tewi linked.

Nice to see that it's finally happening after all this time, they were aiming for summer in regards to that

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/culture-mind-and-brain/201604/daring-hear-voices

Daring to Hear Voices

Why Tulpamancers have a lot to teach us about what we can imagine and experience

Tulpamancers

4:28 PM

I honestly wonder if we're going to plow our way through all the criticisms as a legitimate phenomenon without dropping the -mancy.

This is the article Cassilda was talking about

I don't mind it, but boy do others.

4:28 PM

No.

the vice thing was kinda odd

I was talking about the Somatosphere article.

4:29 PM

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1iCnWU3rKZ3-SuvrELnlUsYTUPiilHW-n/view

Veissiere-Varieties_of_Tulpa_Experiences_2016.pdf

4:29 PM

Also this.

We could describe ourselves as "Tulpa forcers", but I don't think that's much better

we could just describe ourselves as humans hey

4:29 PM

that'd be cool

4:29 PM

humans doing a consciousness exercise

"People who create tulpas" is the only alternative we have to "Tulpamancers" right now.

weird how that's not cringy

haha holy shit

4:29 PM

guys

4:30 PM

what if tulpas got normalized right

Still though, Veissiere is writing some good shit on us.

people would be HORRIFIED when people joked about beating them

I'm totally fine with that.

Dunno, human trafficking is still an issue and those are complete systems.

>! used in the abstract

4:31 PM

>stomach churns

Here's another eloquent article about us: https://savageminds.org/2016/02/13/paranormalizing-the-popular-through-the-tibetan-tulpa-or-what-the-next-dalai-lama-the-x-files-and-affect-theory-might-have-in-common/

What else would you call "tulpamancy" in a sense like that? It's an interesting thing to think about. Calling it just "tulpas" sounds a bit too casual.

I don't really consider this eloquent

4:32 PM

@Clo Idk why we'd stick with tulpas, tbh

Tulpa forcers sounds nice as Ranger said, but we can do better.

idk why we wouldn't frame this phenomenon within already understood terminology

tulpa forcers just sounds like power rangers

Considering many want to get rid of the term "forcing" altogether, perhaps not tulpaforcers.

"forcing" is bad

4:34 PM

what's wrong with just "tulpa creators"

The only understood phenomenon we could call Tulpamancy is "religion", but not everyone in the community agrees that Tulpamancy could be considered one.